can this economy handle that? i don't want to call it a rate spike, but it's pretty doggone close. >> well, that's true, and it is something we are watching. now, the one thing i'll say is up like prior expansions, this has not really been an expansion fueled by lower interest rates. they cut rates and sectors of the economy like housing and autos take off. that's happening now, but it was really kind of slow to get going, and it was tough until the economy itself got going. as long as we have jobs, we're going to be okay. i don't think this back up really puts the economy at risk. now, again, our expectation is also we're not going to see rates rise further from there so at these levels, i don't think it's going to have a significantly dampening impact on growth. dagen: great to see you. >> thanks so much, take care. dagen: michelle with rbs. connell: new developments, why he's betting big on -- what did you say earlier? dagen: shazam! connell: right. dagen: mark farber, mr. doom and gloom, what he thinks bow --